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  For those of us who still believe in God...

  by MrMoe in

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  i would like to know why you still beleive in god and what, based upon the bible, leads you to believe in god.. i likethe scripture that states the earth was a circle and hung upon nothing.

  i also find that there is evidence the flood existed.

  anybody know the stats of the "supposed" ark on mr. ararat?.

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  D wiltshire

  Circe,

  Thank for the web site adresses.
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  For those of us who still believe in God...

  by MrMoe in

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  i would like to know why you still beleive in god and what, based upon the bible, leads you to believe in god.. i likethe scripture that states the earth was a circle and hung upon nothing.

  i also find that there is evidence the flood existed.

  anybody know the stats of the "supposed" ark on mr. ararat?.

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  D wiltshire

  I haven't read every post in this thread but I don't think the Bible really speaks about a flood in Noah's day that covered the whole earth.

  The account in Genesis was probably written by Noah and was a eye witness account as it apeared to Noah eyes.

  Hey for that matter did Noah even know the world was a spere?
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  For those of us who still believe in God...

  by MrMoe in

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  i would like to know why you still beleive in god and what, based upon the bible, leads you to believe in god.. i likethe scripture that states the earth was a circle and hung upon nothing.

  i also find that there is evidence the flood existed.

  anybody know the stats of the "supposed" ark on mr. ararat?.

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  D wiltshire

  I beleive in God and the Bible.

  When i look around at all the beauty and see the complicated way life supports life.

  DNA,

  Matter where did it come from if no God.

  Reproduction, how can evolution explain that.

  The Bible has to be from God so many writers and not really any disharmony that can't be explained.

  I probably could go on and on but I won't.
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  RUSSIA GOES FOR THE GOLD

  by You Know in

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  this present system is definitely finished.

  the present system being the anglo-american dollar dominated system.

  it is in the final stages of collapse as is becoming more obvious by the day.

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  D wiltshire

  Capitan You Know,

  Which way did he go, which way did he go,dahhh, which way did he go, which way did he go?

  Where are you ca-pee-tan You Know?
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  THE MASTER OF DECEPTION

  by You Know in

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  this is a piece i posted on h20 some time ago.

  it was so well-recieved at the time that i thought i would repost it here for your enjoyment.. ______________________________________________________________________.

  the uninitiated reader of course naturally assumes that satan would be the master of deception, but in actuality, while he is the malevolent arch-deceiver, jehovah is actually the master.

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  You Know,

  You are treading on dangerous ground here:
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  . And too, I recognize that the Watchtower is largely responsible for creating this myth of the faithful slave's own infallibility.
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  I think you better be careful You Know the WT may be monitoring this site and they don't take lightly those type of remarks. You better hope they don't know your true ID.

  Remember you just a rank and file.
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  RUSSIA GOES FOR THE GOLD

  by You Know in

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  this present system is definitely finished.

  the present system being the anglo-american dollar dominated system.

  it is in the final stages of collapse as is becoming more obvious by the day.

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  D wiltshire

  You Know,

  By what authority do you speak?

  Does God whisper these predictions in your ear?

  It doesn't sound very loyal to the Organization, all these predictions of yours!

  Do you feel because you are of the anointed that you have some special insight?

  How come you don't write the Society and let them know your predictions, because after all, you claim to be part of the FDS?
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  Russell as "That Servant"; Re: Dunsscot

  by AlanF in

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  since dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.

  the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.

  in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.

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  Duns,

  Russel started the WT 1879 and in 1881 he said the FDS was all the anointed.

  But years latter agreed with his wife arguement that he was thee one and only FDS.

  Hear is the quote staight from the Proclaimers Book:

  *** jv 142-3 10 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth ***
  Thus, in the October-November 1881 issue of the magazine, C. T. Russell stated: “We believe that every member of this body of Christ is engaged in the blessed work, either directly or indirectly, of giving meat in due season to the household of faith. ‘Who then is that faithful and wise servant whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household,’ to give them meat in due season? Is it not that ‘little flock’ of consecrated servants who are faithfully carrying out their consecration vows—the body of Christ—and is not the whole body individually and collectively, giving the meat in due [s]eason to the household of faith—the great company of believers? Blessed is that servant (the whole body of Christ) whom his Lord when he has come (Gr. elthon) shall find so doing. ‘Verily, I say unto you, that he shall make him ruler over all his goods.’”

  Over a decade later, however, Brother Russell’s wife publicly expressed the idea that Russell himself was the faithful and wise servant. The view that she voiced concerning the identity of the ‘faithful servant’ came to be generally held by the Bible Students for some 30 years. Brother Russell did not reject their view, but he personally avoided making such an application of the text, emphasizing his opposition to the idea of a clergy class commissioned to teach God’s Word in contrast to a lay class that was not thus commissioned. The understanding expressed by Brother Russell in 1881 that the faithful and wise servant was in reality a collective servant, made up of all the members of the spirit-anointed body of Christ on earth, was reaffirmed in The Watch Tower of February 15, 1927.—Compare Isaiah 43:10.

  So Russel didn't reject the idea that he was the FDS did he?
  Since his wife voiced it, it was held for 30 years or (1897-1927).

  So 16 years after the 1881 WT it was taught until 1927.

  Correct me anybody if I'm wrong.
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  Russell as "That Servant"; Re: Dunsscot

  by AlanF in

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  since dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.

  the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.

  in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.

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  D wiltshire

  Duns,

  So you won't take proof from the WT Society's publications that state he said he was, in private conversation?

  So does that mean you don't trust the WT Society literature?
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  AF - Proof that he's nuts (as if you needed it)

  by Mishnah in

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  apparently it is a fact that af has been subjected to professional psychiatric aid.

  i applaud the fact that he once was able to bring himself to that point.

  by why has he abandoned real mental help and replaced it with places like this?

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  D wiltshire

  I will agree with Philo that a AF use of Dumb was a little out of form for a good arguement. I beleive AF posts are very accurate, and no need for atacking the man Dunsscot.

  But I can never agree with Mishnah and his conclusions they are so outrageous that they do harm to his own credibility.

  This attacking the man and not the argument fools very few on this board.
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  Dunsscot - More on Russell as FDS

  by Amazing in

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  dunsscot - more on russell as fds .

  duns: alanf provided excellent source references to demonstrate that charles taze russell (ctr) was considered the exclusive faithful and wise servant (aka: faithful and discreet slave[fds]).

  after reading the historical material he cited and quoted, i found this more recent additional confirmation:.

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  Duns,

  So what do you believe about the FDS at this point in time?

  Do you beleive it is all the anointed on earth at any particular time?

  Or do you beleive it is a parable and not a prophecy and was given to make each individual Christian think about what they as Individuals are doing as far as faithfulness to their master?

  Or is it only applied today(at this time) to the WT organization?